Despite what some “experts” say, faceoffs matter

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  • #8884
    John Jaeckel
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    On a couple of higher profile Blackhawk podcasts recently, hosts have suggested that faceoffs really don’t matter that much in hockey, that their impo
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    Apparently, all goalies are Vikings

    #8886
    Alan Parsons
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    Im in 98% agreement, my only quibble/pet peeve is the second part of the faceoff that doesnt seem to have a statistic named for it and that is puck retrieval after one or another player “wins” the faceoff.  There are faceoff wins where one touch later the puck is turned over.  I would like to see the statistics of a faceoff win that turns into enough possession time where a shot on goal is registered.  Or a faceoff win where the puck is turned over quickly.  Sometimes it isnt all about the guys at the dot.

    Puck retrieval is a hard to quantify skill that goes hand in hand with faceoff percentages.

    I also thought that the theory behind the Schmaltz playing with Anisimov where each player only takes the draws on their strong side was interesting.  Anisimov to the wing would be the better move, he can still get to the net.

     

    #8887
    John Jaeckel
    Keymaster

    Im in 98% agreement, my only quibble/pet peeve is the second part of the faceoff that doesnt seem to have a statistic named for it and that is puck retrieval after one or another player “wins” the faceoff. There are faceoff wins where one touch later the puck is turned over. I would like to see the statistics of a faceoff win that turns into enough possession time where a shot on goal is registered. Or a faceoff win where the puck is turned over quickly. Sometimes it isnt all about the guys at the dot. Puck retrieval is a hard to quantify skill that goes hand in hand with faceoff percentages. I also thought that the theory behind the Schmaltz playing with Anisimov where each player only takes the draws on their strong side was interesting. Anisimov to the wing would be the better move, he can still get to the net.

     

    Totally agreed, good point, and sometimes a center’s winning % has something to do with the willingness/support he gets from his wings in the circle.

    Apparently, all goalies are Vikings

    #8890
    Jeff Osborn
    Keymaster

    Alan, I think you’re talking about this which, 2 years ago, Artem Anisimov was the worst in the league at

    https://puckbase.com/stats/post-faceoff-possession

     

    oh look…Nick Schmaltz was 8th worst in the league last year.

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    #8891
    Alan Parsons
    Participant

    lol.   thats PERFECT.   ugh.

     

    I like Schmaltz, except that he sort of seems like he is a prima donna out there.  Meh.  TRADE SCHMALTZ AND KANE

    #8892
    Alan Parsons
    Participant

    that is a great stat.  maybe we should all follow that more closely.   SCHMALTZIE FOR SCOREYPERRYZDEEZNUTZ WHO SAYZ NO

    #8893
    Alan Parsons
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    and anisimov wasnt any better last year.

    #8897
    Tim M.
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    In the 1970s, Roger Nielsen told Scotty  Bowman that his junior team center, Doug Jarvis, was the best faceoff man in hockey. Sam Pollock wouldn’t draft him because he was too small. Finally, after Toronto drafted him, in the same summer Scotty got Sam Pollock to get him in a trade, all because he could win faceoffs. Jarvis took all the important faceoffs for the Canadiens as they won four cups in his first four years

    #8898
    Alan Parsons
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    but who did the Canadians take instead of Jarvis?  the lesson might be, trading something you dont want for something you need was the better way to get the guy.  perhaps that was better work by the GM?

    #8899
    Power29
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    Thank you for the emphasis on the importance of faceoffs!!!! A puck possession team needs to be above 50%. I loved your example if Hawk center men vs the Lightning. Your point only makes it clear that the Hawks need to trade AA & Schmaltz. The return would be very good and make a distinct difference for the Hawks!

    Trade AA & Schmaltz now!

    #8902
    Alan Parsons
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    The Canadians picked Brian Engblom with the 22d pick and Jarvis was the 25th pick.

    #8926
    DK002
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    John no question face-offs matter.  I still think Schmaltz is overrated in general – but Bowman needs something to hang his hat on.

    Get ready for a long slog of a season – hopefully followed by changes in the front office.  Start with a new Pres of Hockey Ops.

    #8928
    Chico Maki
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    I don’t see how people can say faceoffs DON’T matter. (double negative?)   Especially on the PP and PK, you win the draw, you control the puck.  If you control the puck on the PP, you can score.  If you control the puck on the PK, the opposition can’t score.  The entire point of hockey–scoring goals.

    IMO, Schmaltz isn’t a #1 (or #2) center.  At least not yet.  I think some of his numbers were inflated playing with Kane.  I’m not sure the long term plan should be giving Schmaltz big dollars/term.  If they could flip him, I wouldn’t be against it.

    If this season is a total bust, as I fear it might be, I can see Keith getting moved at the deadline.

    #8929
    Tim M.
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    I don’t see how people can say faceoffs DON’T matter. (double negative?) Especially on the PP and PK, you win the draw, you control the puck. If you control the puck on the PP, you can score. If you control the puck on the PK, the opposition can’t score. The entire point of hockey–scoring goals. IMO, Schmaltz isn’t a #1 (or #2) center. At least not yet. I think some of his numbers were inflated playing with Kane. I’m not sure the long term plan should be giving Schmaltz big dollars/term. If they could flip him, I wouldn’t be against it. If this season is a total bust, as I fear it might be, I can see Keith getting moved at the deadline.

    If he doesn’t improve his faceoffs, he’ll be a winger. That’s where centers who can’t win faceoffs end up

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