Foran: William Nylander To The Blackhawks And Other Assorted Fairytales

  
The Rink william-nylander-leafs-e1539879718994 Foran: William Nylander To The Blackhawks And Other Assorted Fairytales William Nylander Chicago Blackhawks Brian Foran Blackhawks

I’ll lead off with something most of us should already know: William Nylander is a damn good hockey player. Even further impressive is the upside of the 22-year old, 2014, 8th overall pick. I mean you, at the very least, must be a relatively good player to post back-to-back 60 point seasons at the NHL level, regardless of who it is you’re skating alongside each night.

But at what height should Nylander’s prospective ceiling be capped? Will he ever be more than a 60-point secondary scoring option? How many of his 122 points produced over the past two seasons were byproducts? There exist so many variables to first be examined in order determine the answer to this question that I don’t even know where to begin.

As a compliment to Auston Matthews, Nylander has (at the very least) proven to be a no-brainer, top-6 forward.  Skating alongside an All-World centerman like Matthews could cast a similar shadow over many, though. Take a look at the production of Kasperi Kapanen since assuming Nylander’s role in Toronto, for example.

It’s the William Nylander without Auston Matthews that should have the Blackhawks hesitant to place a definitive value on him. Long story short, We haven’t seen enough from Nylander, as an offensive generator, to have Stan Bowman lick his chops in envy.

As a complementary player you can plug into a template of proven linemates, I’m sold. Send the man over immediately to leech points off the Blackhawks very own All-American magic man, Patrick Kane, right this very minute. Kane would benefit immensely. Hell, the entirety of the Blackhawks offense would benefit immediately from Nylander’s presence. There’s no one doubting this.

But I’d only be willing to compromise if Nylander, himself, were willing to be paid like the complementary player he’s proven to be thus far into his career. I am just not in the realm of those willing to blindly rush forward and overpay for secondary scoring merely because said secondary scorer possesses a familiar name.

And overpay you would…on two fronts, for that matter.

First of all, acquiring the rights to William Nylander wouldn’t be cheap.  To be honest, I can’t even begin to provide a serious, logical estimate as to what it might cost Stan Bowman to lure him from the clutches of Mike Babcock. Speculations aside, I think it’s safe to assume that Toronto is going to demand defense in return for Nylander’s rights. Putting myself in Leafs GM Kyle Dubas’ shoes and glancing over my roster, the only glaring hole (if such a hole exists) is the lack of a legitimate shutdown defenseman. Sure, Morgan Rielly is off to an albatross start. Sure, Jake Gardiner and Nikita Zaitsev are great peripheral options, as well. But what Toronto lacks is that definitive, shutdown defender you’d want on the ice for every single one of the closing seconds of a series-clinching playoff game.

The Blackhawks do not possess such a defenseman to give.

One might hypothetically dangle Brandon Saad as bait (as some have proposed) but why would Toronto want another expensive forward when their primary flaw is clearly in their depth on defense? Plus, they already possess forwards at a fraction of the cost producing as much (if not more) than Saad currently is.

Let’s face facts, if Toronto opts to move on from its young, offensively gifted weapon, it will be for defense.  An area so paper-thin that, regardless of how many goals they score each night, many consider a hole too gaping for the Leafs to be serious Stanley Cup contenders. You frankly do not move a chip like Nylander unless you’re filling this vacancy.

Then there’s the matter of contract negotiations. Theoretically speaking, say you did find a way to come to a compromise with Toronto and you did acquire Nylander’s rights. What then? I hope you’re both able and willing to fork over eight or so million dollars to a complimentary forward because, quite frankly, that’s the only way you’re going to see the unrelenting Nylander on the ice this season.

As noted prior, I like Nylander. But the only players deserving of $8 million annually are those proven offensive generators who consistently put forth 80-100 point seasons. Sidney Crosby, Steven Stamkos, Claude Giroux, and Ryan Getzlaf are examples of superstars who earn in this price range due to their knack for carrying their teams offensively. William Nylander is not Sidney Crosby, Claude Giroux, Ryan Getzlaf or Steven Stamkos and therefore should not be paid as such.

Either way, this whole ordeal is nothing but hyperbole fueled by an abundance of naive Blackhawks fans who are familiar with Nylander’s name. The types who, once they see someone like Nylander might be available, react as if he’s something shiny and therefore want him for their own. There’s no real smoke to any of this. This is all hypothetical nonsense, folks.

That said, if Nylander inevitably is moved, there are an abundance of other destinations that make much more sense than the Chicago Blackhawks.

Carolina, anyone?

Faulk and a pick for Nylander?

Aho-Nylander-Teravainen has a nice ring to it. Hell, look what Aho has done for Micheal Ferland so far in 2018. That’s a guy who struggled to maintain relevance alongside Johnny Gaudreau and Sean Monahan and is now, all of a sudden, scoring at a superstar’s pace.

Nashville would similarly be an outstanding landing spot for Nylander. The Predators need the scoring and seeing that Nashville essentially breeds stud defenseman like a puppy mill, it’d make for an ideal trade partner with the Leafs… though Toronto may be forced to sweeten the pot if they want someone like Ryan Ellis or Mattias Ekholm in return.

Center Ice Forums Foran: William Nylander To The Blackhawks And Other Assorted Fairytales

This topic contains 14 replies, has 8 voices, and was last updated by  Alan Parsons 3 weeks, 4 days ago.

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 15 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #9210

    Brian Foran
    Referee

    I’ll lead off with something most of us should already know: William Nylander is a damn good hockey player. Even further impressive is the upside of t
    [To continue reading full article, click here: Foran: William Nylander To The Blackhawks And Other Assorted Fairytales]

    #9212

    Alan Parsons
    RinkRat

    Saad would have to be traded for a similar salary.  Duchene and Saad are both 6M players.    Saad for Nylander doesnt make any sense to me. Unless the Leafs felt that Saad would be cheaper than Nylander and experienced and a better defender.  8M is ridiculous for Nylander, even as good as he is.  Total agreement with you.

    #9213

    fattybeef
    RinkRat

    Hmmmm. The Hawks need to win now and could user a second line center. A complimentary player to Toews.

    I think a 26 million dollar 4 year bridge deal would work for everyone. Leafs can have Schmaltz, Mitchel and a conditional pick and the Hawks can worry about shedding salary in the off season if necessary. Or Saad Mitchel and a conditional pick.

    The Hawks kind of need to win now. Kind of need a center not named Toews to be better than meh and that gets Kane another hundo point season.

    I’d say overpay here.

    #9216

    Chico Maki
    RinkRat

    I would think the Leafs would want D-men.  I don’t think Saad helps them.

    Nylander for $8 million, tho?    No.

    #9218

    Alan Parsons
    RinkRat

    Nylander for Manning and Seabrook.

    #9219

    Chico Maki
    RinkRat

    If Toronto would take Seabrook’s contract without Stan paying part of it, I’d drive Brent to O’Hare.

     

    #9222

    JD
    RinkRat

    If Toronto would take Seabrook’s contract without Stan paying part of it, I’d drive Brent to O’Hare.

    I literally laughed way too hard at your fervor… 😂

    #9223

    JD
    RinkRat

    Considering the inevitable loss of Forsberg when Crow becomes stable in the line up again… would it not make sense to try to package a maybe Saad and Forsberg for the problematic Nylander contract situation? We either lose Forsberg to waivers or trade him. He’s been inconsistent to say the least, however not ruling out he could be great. But here is the corner we’ve been backed into with the Ward signing and clause. Say Nylander decides not to sign with us either… there is a gentleman named Gardner over there who could make a splash in our D core as well. And Toronto is in high demand for a solid back up tender which Forsberg definitely is/can be. Thoughts?

    #9224

    Alan Parsons
    RinkRat

    They can have anyone at the AHL level.  Any of them.

     

    #9225

    Tim M.
    RinkRat

    If “Ifs” and “buts” were candy and and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas.

    Don Meredith

     

     

     

    #9229

    Alan Parsons
    RinkRat

    In fact. lets trade Rockford for Nylander.

    #9230

    Alan Parsons
    RinkRat

    There isnt a single player in Rockford who will ever be half the player Nylander is now.  Which also explains why nobody will make a trade with the Hawks for young players…ugh.

     

    #9248

    Power29
    RinkRat

    Trade AA & a pick to the Rangers for Brendan Smith. Turn around and trade Smith, Saad and Schmaltz to Toronto for a 2020 1st round pick, Nylander and Patrik Marleau. Then we FINALLY get a 2nd line center that can WIN AT LEAST 50% of his draws AND a dynamic (if not a bit inconsistent) top 6 LW in Marleau…. I would trade Saad’s age for Marleau to get Nylander any day!!!!

    #9256

    Trade AA & a pick to the Rangers for Brendan Smith. Turn around and trade Smith, Saad and Schmaltz to Toronto for a 2020 1st round pick, Nylander and Patrik Marleau. Then we FINALLY get a 2nd line center that can WIN AT LEAST 50% of his draws AND a dynamic (if not a bit inconsistent) top 6 LW in Marleau…. I would trade Saad’s age for Marleau to get Nylander any day!!!!

    Dubas would lose his job over that trade. Saad has lost his game and would be worth less if the Hawks sat him, so he’s a 4th line guy for now on either team. Seabs can’t play the 22 to 24 minutes that the Leafs need. It would need to be a 3 team trade to bring Nylander to the Hawks, and nobody is going to help them.

    I don’t think that Toronto trades in their conference. Anaheim has some dmen as does LA. Both could use some scoring, not sure either can go 8M for him. Arizona has OEL, and needs scoring help. They can do 8M. Toronto might need to sweeten the deal with another player, prospect, or a pick.

    Minnesota, Dumba? St Louis, Parayko might be enough for a straight up trade.

    I doubt Ellis goes from Nashville, Ekholm might. Columbus needs help and Bobrovski fills a need for better goaltending. But, is cap money there for 8M? Calgary needs scoring help. Giordano?

    Toronto might not get their asking price, which is why I think they wait this out like Colorado did.

    #9278

    Alan Parsons
    RinkRat

    If the Hawks were smart, they would be looking to sell Keith.   Get him to waive his NMC.  Id be packaging him to Toronto or Winnipeg and looking to get talent back.  Hawks need as many first round picks this year as they can get so they can improve their odds in the lottery.  Id be looking to make some DEALS.   Sell Keith now as he is a fragment of what he used to be, sell Schmaltz.  Sell anyone you can.  Hell, even Crawford if he is healthy enough for other teams to take the risk.

    Total rebuild and they need to start in February after most of the ticket sales are done.  Id be going for at least 3 if not 4 extra first round picks this year.  FIRE SALE.

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 15 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.