Misconceptions of Stan Bowman – Part 1

  

There are many misconceptions surrounding almost any professional sports organization, and the Blackhawks are certainly not immune to this sickness. These narratives sometimes drive a message out to the fan base that magically becomes known as fact with little or no actual supporting evidence.

One of such narratives is that the Blackhawks, more specifically General Manager Stan Bowman, are great at drafting and developing talent. For years I have disputed this claim, yet several times a year stories emerge about how Bowman and the Blackhawks are so wonderful in this area, and is not entirely true. They have been pretty good at drafting and developing forwards, but hockey teams are not just made up of just forwards.

Enough is enough, and it is time to sort through this murky swamp to separate fact from fiction.

Stan Bowman took over this Blackhawks team “officially” in July of 2009. Previous to that promotion, Bowman served as assistant General Manager, from 2007 until 2009, under the infamous Dale Tallon. He was also partially involved with drafting and development of players throughout the organization during those years, as well. For the sake of argument, lets include the drafts of 2007 through 2017 for Bowman’s resume since a decade is a nice round number.

The argument can be made that Stan Bowman is not the only individual responsible for drafting players, and you would be one hundred percent correct. Vice President of Amateur Scouting Mark Kelley is also on the hook for the results, and has been involved in this Blackhawks legacy since 2005. Where that argument falls apart is that if a boss finds his employee’s job results unsatisfactory, it is said bosses responsibility to correct the problem.

In part one of this series, I focus solely on the “good news.” This good (or better) news is regarding the forwards that the Blackhawks have drafted.

In the follow-up, I will focus on the goalies and defensemen. Brace yourself now, fans, because the news will only get darker from here.

Success is certainly relative, but gauging a career by NHL games played is a safe, objective criteria. That said, let us examine the drafted forwards in the Bowman era, beginning with the ’07-’09 drafts before Bowman was officially in charge but involved:

YearRound-PosNameNHL Games (as of 2/2/18)Position
20071-1Patrick Kane791RW
2-38Bill Sweatt3RW
2-56Akim Aliu7RW
3-69Maxime TanguayC
6-156Richard GreenopRW
20081-11Kyle BeachC
6-169Ben Smith237RW
20092-59Brandon Pirri226C
3-89Daniel DelisleF
4-119Byron Froese90C
5-149Marcus Kruger444C
6-177David PacanC
7-209David GilbertC

As you can see, The Blackhawks organization drafted 13 forwards in these three seasons, and seven of these forwards have ever seen the NHL ice. Of the forwards that have seen the NHL, two of them (Bill Sweatt, Akim Aliu) have seen less than ten NHL games but, for the sake of argument, I left them in. Forward Byron Froese was basically discarded by the organization early in his career but, for the sake of argument, I left him in, as well.

Once you tally up the numbers, the Blackhawks organization has seven players that we can consider as drafted and developed into the NHL, or 54% of the drafted forwards. Their production aside, they have all played NHL games and all of them are still playing professional hockey somewhere, whether it be AHL, KHL or NHL or some pro league in Europe.

Patrick Kane
Marcus Kruger
Ben Smith
Brandon Pirri
Byron Froese
Bill Sweatt
Akim Aliu

Now, the final three players certainly may have you scratching your heads and asking, “WHO?” They participated in NHL games, but their careers were mostly flashes in the pan.  Pirri, Smith and Kruger are debatable, but I think we can all agree that those three players were bottom six depth forwards at their career heights. Pirri was a thing for five minutes in Florida, on a bad team, and it quickly faded.

What these numbers tell me is that unless the Blackhawks have a top 5 pick, which is virtually a slam dunk (Patrick Kane), the likelihood that they could pick a player who would develop through the organization and be a player that contributes to their team’s success is pretty low. Not only did they not develop many forwards for their own organizational success, but they did not develop many players to trade away for assets, either.

We cannot pile all of that onto Bowman’s shoulders, though. He was serving under Dale Tallon and Mark Kelley. There is a reason Tallon was let go, and this may have very well been one of them.

Lets move on to the seasons that our sweet boy Stanley Glenn was at the wheel of the bus, starting with 2010:

YearRound-PosNameNHL Games (as of 2/2/18)Position
20101-24Kevin Hayes279RW
2-35Ludvig RensfeldtLW
3-90Joakim Nordstrom257C
4-120Rob FlickC
6-151Mirko HofflinC
20111-18Mark McNeill2C
1-26Phillip Danault178LW
2-43Brandon Saad419LW
4-109Maxim ShalunovRW
5-139Andrew Shaw433C
7-199Alex BroadhurstC
20121-18Teuvo Teravainen247RW
3-79Chris CalnanRW
5-139Garret RossLW
6-169Vince Hinostroza77C
20131-30Ryan Hartman131RW
3-74John Hayden51C
4-121Tyler Motte64C
5-134Luke JohnsonC
6-181Anthony LouisC
20141-20Nick Schmaltz108C
3-83Matheson IacopelliRW
3-88Beau StarrettC
4-98Fredrik OlofssonLW
6-178Dylan SikuraC
7-208Jack RamseyRW
20152-54Graham KnottLW
5-151Radovan BondraRW
6-164Roy RadkeRW
7-211John DahlstromRW
20162-39Alex DeBrincat51RW
2-50Artur KayumovLW\RW
4-113Nathan NoelC
5-143Mathias FromRW\LR
20173-70Andrei AltybarmakyanRW
3-90Evan BarrattC
4-112Tim SöderlundC/LW
5-144Parker FooLW

To say this list is anything resembling a disaster would be incorrect. Bowman and Kelley have drafted 38 forwards in eight drafts. Of those 38 forwards, 13 have played enough amount of NHL games to be considered, at minimum, moderate successes. Even though Mark McNeill has played only two NHL mercy games, I chose to leave him in the equation, as well.

If you crunch the numbers, 34% of the forwards Stan Bowman has drafted and developed made it all the way to the NHL. There are certainly still young players in the Blackhawks system like Dylan Sikura, Maxim Shalunov, and others that could blossom into something useful in the NHL. If Bomwan’s Blackhawks career ended tomorrow and three more players developed into NHL pieces, he could be flirting with the 40% threshold. We are talking about the current state, though.

I am sure that certain arguments will be made, the first being that, “Dat Bowmans iz alwaze draftin late in da roundz, doh.”  I cannot dispute that.  When compared to his peers, Stan Bowman’s average draft position has been 19th, while Minnesota, Nashville, Dallas and St, Louis were 15th, 15th, 12th and 18th respectively. What is left out of that argument is that once the first round is over, the draft position is irrelevant.  Every team is fighting and clawing for the hidden gem.

Another set of numbers that should be taken into consideration is the success rates of the previously mentioned peers. From 2010 until 2017 the success percentages of his divisional peers were as follows:

Minnesota (Fletcher): 35%
Nashville (Poile): 34%
Dallas (Nieuwendyk/Nill): 35%
St. Louis (Pleau/Armstrong): 25%

So, in conclusion, Stan Bowman’s ability to draft and develop forwards can probably be judged as “average” to “slightly above average“. This is certainly better than his predecessor, though, which is a low bar.

Proclaiming Bowman as some kind of drafting and developing savant, though, is a stretch of the imagination.

Let me remind you again, though, that this is ONLY forwards.

In part two, I examine the defensemen and goalies. This is where things will get ugly.

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  • #4534
    Jeff Osborn
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    There are many misconceptions surrounding almost any professional sports organization, and the Blackhawks are certainly not immune to this sickness. T
    [To continue reading full article, click here: Misconceptions of Stan Bowman – Part 1]

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    #4557
    thepld
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    Interesting. I thought it’ be way worse actually. There could be some gems in there still to come. Part 2 should be a good laugh.

    #4562
    PurePone
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    Based on StanBo’s draft position year in and year out, you cannot help but say he isn’t doing bad at all in the forward category. I also thought it would be worse, but again the Hawks aren’t exactly in the best draft position the past close to a decade.

    I will be reading the defense and goalie section with my eyes squinting in pain…

    #4579
    John Jaeckel
    Keymaster

    I’ve read part 2 (spoiler alert: it’s worse)

    Apparently, all goalies are Vikings

    #4580
    Mister Ricochet
    Participant

    I have nothing to add except nice work here, Oz……

    #4587
    6628
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    Goalies tend to take a while. Who drafted Carter Hutton? He’s been doing ok the last few years since he left here.

    #4611
    Jeff Osborn
    Keymaster

    Goalies tend to take a while. Who drafted Carter Hutton? He’s been doing ok the last few years since he left here.

    Nobody, he was a college free agent that the Blackhawks yanked out of the ECHL in 2011-12

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    #4612
    Jeff Osborn
    Keymaster

    I have nothing to add except nice work here, Oz……

    Thank you, sir. Wait until you see the rest.

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    #4615
    DK002
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    Solid write up Jeff,  drafting is supposedly Stan’s strong suit, but he’s only slightly above average… and we haven’t seen the worst part of it yet – the defense and goaltending.  Here’s a question…and JJ has alluded to this:

    If you know you’re #1 netminder has had some sort of problem the last couple of seasons that has kept him out for a considerable amount of time wouldn’t you do your due diligence by having a solid backup ready in case he goes down again this season?  But instead you have a 32 year old rookie…and a nice prospect who’s had minimal playing time in the NHL.

    The concern I have isn’t with the drafting as much as UFA signings and his horrid trade record over the last several seasons.  And in some cases not the trades themselves but the timing…see Sharp, Patrick and Leddy, Nick for example.  Not to mention the thought process for those trades.

    If you look at the Phil Danault fiasco.  Not only did he give away a promising young center, but he failed to get the defenseman the Hawks so badly needed that spring.  We saw how that ended against the Blues.   Not to mention he still owes the Habs a #2 from that deal.

    #4635
    Jeff Osborn
    Keymaster

    Solid write up Jeff, drafting is supposedly Stan’s strong suit, but he’s only slightly above average… and we haven’t seen the worst part of it yet – the defense and goaltending. Here’s a question…and JJ has alluded to this:

    If you know you’re #1 netminder has had some sort of problem the last couple of seasons that has kept him out for a considerable amount of time wouldn’t you do your due diligence by having a solid backup ready in case he goes down again this season? But instead you have a 32 year old rookie…and a nice prospect who’s had minimal playing time in the NHL.

    The concern I have isn’t with the drafting as much as UFA signings and his horrid trade record over the last several seasons. And in some cases not the trades themselves but the timing…see Sharp, Patrick and Leddy, Nick for example. Not to mention the thought process for those trades.

    If you look at the Phil Danault fiasco. Not only did he give away a promising young center, but he failed to get the defenseman the Hawks so badly needed that spring. We saw how that ended against the Blues. Not to mention he still owes the Habs a #2 from that deal.

    He’s only slightly above average as far as forwards….wait until you see the rest.

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    #4643
    kinigitt
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    Watching Teraveinen play consistent, smart hockey in Carolina smarts too…

    #4647
    Hank_Greenberg
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    Nice job, Oz. Particularly interesting is the comparison to his peers.

    And I agree that the draft position is only relevant in the first (and maybe second) rounds. After that, it’s all scouting.

    #4652
    Chico Maki
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    If there’s a house cleaning at the end of this season, IMO,  the first to go should be Stan Bowman.
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    #4653
    DK002
    Participant

    Watching Teraveinen play consistent, smart hockey in Carolina smarts too…

      Stan could have bought out Bickell that summer in 15 instead he had to give up TT along with him the next year…ridiculous.  Of course we all know now that Bicks had a real health issue sadly, which brings up more questions surrounding the Hawks medical staff.

    JJ had also mentioned at one point a TT for Drouin deal – which of course Bowman didn’t pull the trigger on.

    #4655
    Alan Parsons
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    Oh shit.  Marcus Kruger is on waivers.  Hes a 54% CF and 55% at the dot.   Will Stan pull the trigger?  Should he pull the trigger?  Would that allow for an AA trade?  Is Kampf good enough to play 3C?  Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives…

    #4658
    Hank_Greenberg
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    In other news, scumbag piece-of-shit Alexandre Burrows gets 10 games for cheap-shotting Taylor Hall (after a clean hit!). Should have been 25 games ….

     

     

    #4664
    Jeff Osborn
    Keymaster

    Oh shit. Marcus Kruger is on waivers. Hes a 54% CF and 55% at the dot. Will Stan pull the trigger? Should he pull the trigger? Would that allow for an AA trade? Is Kampf good enough to play 3C? Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives…

    Not for $3Million

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    #4665
    Jeff Osborn
    Keymaster

    Nice job, Oz. Particularly interesting is the comparison to his peers.

    And I agree that the draft position is only relevant in the first (and maybe second) rounds. After that, it’s all scouting.

    Thanks…..part 2 drops tomorrow on Snowpocalypse 2018. It gets WAY worse

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    #4666
    Alan Parsons
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    Its 2.5 next season, yes?  and it would be pro-rated for this season.  So, its really more like 35% of 3 million they would owe him for this year.  So its closer to 1M.

    To put it another way, since Stan hasnt spent the Hossa cap space, that has remained constant all season, pretty much, they have 3.8M in cap space for this season, yes?  And since contracts are pro-rated, they would only be on the hook for whatever a player is owed for this season.  So lets say 3.8M is 38% of a 10M player.  The cap space is constant.  They could have had “room” to have added a 3.8M player at the beginning of the season, but it would have made pretty much all other moves impossible.  But at the deadline, they actually have room to add what seems like a much larger salary because they still have 3.8 to play with, yes?  So they could add a Kruger plus maybe someone who made maybe 7M this year.  Yes?

    #4667
    Jeff Osborn
    Keymaster

    Its 2.5 next season, yes? and it would be pro-rated for this season. So, its really more like 35% of 3 million they would owe him for this year. So its closer to 1M.

    To put it another way, since Stan hasnt spent the Hossa cap space, that has remained constant all season, pretty much, they have 3.8M in cap space for this season, yes? And since contracts are pro-rated, they would only be on the hook for whatever a player is owed for this season. So lets say 3.8M is 38% of a 10M player. The cap space is constant. They could have had “room” to have added a 3.8M player at the beginning of the season, but it would have made pretty much all other moves impossible. But at the deadline, they actually have room to add what seems like a much larger salary because they still have 3.8 to play with, yes? So they could add a Kruger plus maybe someone who made maybe 7M this year. Yes?

    that’s actual salary, not cap hit. Cap hit stays the same. It’s AAV, $3,083,333

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